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Our third Books podcast features Joanna Bourke, professor of history at Birkbeck, University of London, in conversation with Times ÖйúAƬ¡¯s books editor, Karen Shook. They discuss James Dawes¡¯ book Evil Men, which Professor Bourke recently reviewed for THE, as well as some of the challenges associated with carrying out research on highly emotive topics. We also hear about Professor Bourke¡¯s own work, including What it Means to be Human: Reflections from 1791 to the Present.